I like the S&W 460 as well. Mace or a .45 Colt? next fly out someplace and sleep in a tent than write something that means something. Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. . Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. Somewhere in my Paper Archives I have the Professors commentary and a stages of a Bear attack and at what point in his own words .. it is time to Shoot the Bear. Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. death by wild beast is now becoming more common. Carry the most powerful gun you can actually effectively use. Browning on your sail boat, that will keep you happy ! After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . Almost all .460s are semi-autos. It is the gun I used in the American Hunter Challenge Video where I make five hits at seven yards in under three seconds. I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. Lets stop trying to impress each other with useless specifications and gobbly-gooky BS. An official from the department visited the farm shortly after the incident and found tracks belonging to the animal, according to local news reports. In your expert opinion is my 44mag redhawk with LBT heat treated solids weighing 300 grains adequate? coastal on the Alaska peninsula quartering away with a .338 Win mag. Its lack of weight had me cringing at first, expecting some wrist-wrenching recoil, but I was pleasantly surprised with the manageability of the K6s. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. I wonder how much penetration that will make on a bears skull? COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . I think any handgun is insufficient for grizzly, but having spent countless hours hunting and fishing, carrying a shotgun or rifle 100% of the time just isnt realistic. Sun, Jan 29, 2023. . Anyhow, nice article and just consider the glock 10 mm if you are comfortable with a semi-auto tyoe pistol. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. After being carjacked 2 years ago, I WILL NOT be a victim, again. Carry to fit your states wild life? Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. . Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. Loaded with good ammunition, either of these Smith & Wesson .44 Magnums will make excellent bear medicine. Yes! We were given dominance over the animals, and we all got here at the same time. Next This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. The 12-year-old in Alaska who just shot the brown with the shotgun is the son of a good friend. Something doesnt fit here. Thanx! heat treated WFN LBT now for these situations. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. Although the species is protected, landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. 8. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . the game warden. Do you have an animal or nature story to share with Newsweek? Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. with my S&W 500 magnum. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. False economy at that point. Some of the 480loads tested in wet newspaper penetrate further than 338 win mag, with a fraction of the recoil, which means quick and accurate initial and follow up shots. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. And I do practice dry fire and shoot whatever is the cheapest ammo I can find around time. I also have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt and I carry my hand loaded 300 gr hard cast bullets. Mountain lions are very dangerous animals that are capable of killing creatures larger than themselves. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. Im more concerned with the organized gang activity here in Denver than all of the wild animal encounters in the universe. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. This is no problem as we are talking about a custom pistol anyway. The Interior Grizzlies are not like your fat on salmon Brownies. .38spl are pretty light loads. Full power 10mm anyone? Sounds like you have everything covered. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. Feature Articles, Department spokesperson Peter Tira told LA Times: "It's been a day-to-day, hourly kind of situation. BTW the 2nd encounter was by a friend who was carrying that old M572 shots on a wounded grizzly same load did him in. I own a 45 Colt Ruger Bisley with a 5 1/2 inch barrel ,among other larger caliber handguns , and it is far and away my favorite for handgun hunting or a defensive woods gun. Dick Casulls brainchild improves the ballistics of the .45 Colt even in modern handguns and provides an entirely different performance level for those who can handle it. style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. What? Back in Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? A mountain lion was killed in the Santa Monica Mountains, becoming the first killed under the state's depredation law, a National . I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. According to CPW, Colorado is home to between 3,000 and 7,000 mountain lions. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. Between 3- and 3.5-inch-wide tracks. I would have no reservation about using it on a mountain lion. Do you have a question about mountain lions? I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. Now, the black bear is generally speaking a rather docile creature, and most of the time it will make every attempt to run away from man. However, I dont think that a short barrel revolver will produce such a velocity. FL). He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. Thanks! The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. white-tailed deer State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. Wolves are more of a threat. Big bears do not get big being stupid around people. to a .22 or .32 the .38 Special 148 grain lead target wad-cutter is ideal for these purposes. They dont respond the same way as healthy animals. Lets hope that we can all avoid the threat of mauling, but if youre unfortunate enough to have it happen to you, be prepared. The 7 -inch barrel makes for a bit more cumbersome handgun, but the author feels the accuracy is well worth it. Not enough bullet weight. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? At 50yds not much will walk away from a hit with that bullet. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. Little meat damage and with a WC or Semi WC will certainly do the job. For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. An exceedingly interesting question. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. BTW seems like shooting an elk here is like ringing a dinner bell for the grizzlies. No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. wolves That is a political and social problem.. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. Dont leave your gun in the car. Had that sow felt threatened, I wouldnt have known what hit me. I would wantShortFast out of the holster.and powerful. Planning to go, I figured that I didnt have the right gun for a possible bear encounter. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. I dont think it is funny to not mention bear spray. If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. Hunting, Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. DRT. OMG! The 454 would probably be better and I did have a 500 S&W in 4 inch but as heavy as it was I figured it was easier to carry a 12 ga pump on a sling and let someone carry out the meat while I protected them. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. concealed carry and for the outdoors: hiking, fishing, camping, bird watching, gathering Any wildlife that is killed will remain the property of the state and will be reported to the division within five days. This calls for a heavy crimp (I use a Redding profile crimp die and seat and crimp in two seperate operations useing H-11O or Win. The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. You would have had until between the 8 and the 6 to be unloading a gun into it , and still possibly wind up injured ! They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. Its available right now, only in 9 mm, .40 S & W and More than 12,400 mountain lions were killed between 1907 and 1963 and turned in for bounties, according to the Mountain Lion Foundation. They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. I probably keep the fine folks at Magpul in business with my 50, 40 and 30 mag purchases. 8gr 800-X will put some lead into anyones pencil. AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. The local police department and/or county sheriffs office can also respond to mountain lion-public safety calls to a 911 operator. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. OMG! I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. One must realize that with the adrendeline flowing, a moving target and possibly poor light conditions it is not easy to hit well with a hand gun no matter how good you are at the range! The 148 grain SC is great as long as it is a hollow base, and loaded backwards with the hollow base facing out. I have used the Casull to take a lot of game including several black bears so I understand the terminal ballistics of this cartridge pretty well. Just holes. My handloads push a 300-grain hard-cast bullet to 1,614 fps. I for one have never been bear hunting, always wanted and dreamed of going some day. This is why I prefer my .460 Roland it has compensator for better follow on second shot. More is always better and the bullet is the key. For small game, a 38 Spcl. Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. Handloaded in a Blackhawk as described in my earlier post, the .45 outdoes the .44 mag. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. If so, what is the problem? Do you have a problem with this model? 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 hes ON TOP OF YOU CHOMPING ON YOUR SPINE and THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD ! A large-bore firearm, with tons of practice in real-world scenarios, and to hell with insane local laws that prohibit mags > 15 rounds. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. why dont you buy a BB gun for backup. They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. I think it was POOR ARTICLE FROM A PERSON WHO IS SITTING IN AN ARM CHAIR MOSTLY AND BASTE ON HEAR SAY. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! Absolutely. Your email address will not be published. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. Picture yourself on your back with a bear in your face and you trying to fight him off with one hand and reaching for your gun. After feeding on its kill, the lion will cache the prey, or bury it in a secluded spot. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. RIP ammo is fine against flesh, as in human flesh. This is perfect mountain lion habitat. Magnum Research 45-70 isnt bad either ! My 10mm load is right at 700. He said while the animal tried to bite Pauls head, it didnt actually do it, only slightly clawing the boys back. Lightweight and well-balanced, I had a chance to spend a bit of time with this wheelgun at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. and the 45 colts are equal if used in modern stout pistols. You will only have only one chance to prove fluffy wont kill you. Flat shooting gun with a lifetime warranty. I believe he used a 9mm. But But in advanced Industrialized Countries your a dying bread of cat. Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. Regarding my loads, Im partial to a 230 grain Federal Hydra-Shok jacketed hollowpoint staggered with 230-grain lead cast bullet, one following the other, the first round out of the magazine a Hydra-Shok. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. Thousands of empty Ancient Churches that have been converted into libraries and or apartment buildings are testament to that. Natural enemies include other large predators such as bears, lions, and wolves. @ 1,100+ FPS!! Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. Hell I wish someone would make a wheel gun for the 416 rem mag. They only work if you have them with you. The mountain lion known as P-56 was killed January 27, 2020. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. I was able to aim and take the shot; it tore me up having to kill that nuisance bear that should have been relocated. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. The examination of the animal, believed to be about 3 years old, suggests it was an opportunistic predator and not starving because deer, its natural prey, had been over-hunted, as . A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. sure, sure, sure. Ive racoons hunted quite a bit and upon shooting healthy racoons they either crash dead or make as fleet of an escape as the wounds will allow. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. 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