On Being with Krista Tippett. , which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. [audience laughs] But instead to really have this moment of, Oh, no, its our work together to see one another. So Im hoping. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. When you open the page, theres already silence. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. They bring our nervous system and heartbeat and breath into sync and even into sync with other bodies around us. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? And so I have Limn: Yeah. We are located on Dakota land. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam, I love that you do this. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. Right. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape, of age. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. Its still the elements. And poetry, and poetry. The Hearthland Foundation. I think that there is a lot about trying to figure out who we are with ourselves. So you grew up in Sonoma, California, but my sense is that its not the land of Zinfandel and Pinot Noir that immediately comes to mind now when someone says Sonoma. BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. is so bright and determined like a flame, Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. When you find a song or you find something and you think, This. We want to do that where we live, and we want to do it walking alongside others.. Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine.. A scholar of belonging. A scholar of magic. She grew up loving science fiction, and thought wed be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. [Music: Molerider by Blue Dot Sessions]. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. Limn: I love it. [laughter] Were like, Ugh, I feel calmer.. Tippett: A lot of them are in the On Being studio, they come in the mail. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine., Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. Singing is able to touch and join human beings in ways few other arts can. For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. It sends us back to work with the raw materials of our lives, understanding that these are always the materials even of change at a cosmic or a societal level. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. Tippett: Thats so wonderful. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and . Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. Its a prose poem. Tippett: And this is about your childhood, right? And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. body. So well just be on an adventure together. you look back and beg I could be both an I . And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. I spoke with Ada Limn at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. Limn: Oh, definitely. Mosaque Liste Walking in Wonder Eternal Wisdom for a Modern World - ebook (ePub) John Quinn . And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. Tippett: And that is so much more present with us all the time. The one that always misses where Im not, Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. And I think about that all the time. And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing. [laughs]. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. A dream. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk, poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Special thanks this week to Daniel Slager, Yanna Demkiewicz, and Katie Hill at Milkweed Editions. And thought, How am I right now at this moment? Okay. Musings and tools to take into your week. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called Complicating the Narratives, which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. the high notes with a beer sloshing in the stands And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. Yeah. could save the hireling and the slave? So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. Suppose its easy to slip And so I gave up on it. Where being at ease is not okay. And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. Amidst all of the perspectives and arguments around our ecological future, this much is true: we are not in the natural world we are part of it. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. Thats how this machine works. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. And it sounds like thunder? And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. in an endless cave, the song that says my bones Page 40. Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. Its repeating words. two brains now. Copyright 2023. On Being with Krista Tippett is about focusing on the immensity of our lives. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. by being seen. until every part of it is run through with So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. The podcast's foundation is the same as the groundbreaking radio concept. Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. What, she asks, if we get this right? Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. Tippett: You hosted this, The Slowdown podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. Tippett: And then a trauma of the pandemic was that our breathing became a danger to strangers and beloveds. what a word, what a world, this gray waiting. Before the divorce. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, , I dont want you to witness my body. I feel like I could hear that response, right? And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Krista Tippett (ne Weedman; born November 9, 1960) is an American journalist, author, and entrepreneur. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. should write, huge and round and awful. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. Limn: Yeah. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. in the ground, under the feast up above. I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Yeah, that was true. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, Enough of us across all of our differences see that we have a world to remake. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. Copyright 2023. The On Being Project This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. In this spirit, our ecosystem of offerings launching across 2023 serve a far-flung global web of listeners/practitioners. on the back of my dads All right. We practice moral imagination; we embrace paradoxical curiosity; we sit with conflict and complexity; we create openings instead of seeking answers or providing reductive simplicity. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. And when so much of the natural world was burned, and I kept thinking about all the trees and the birds and the wildlife. How am I? You could really go to some deep places if you really interrogated the self. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. Limn: Yeah. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . Yes I am. But I trust those moments. Youre very young. you can keep it until its needed, until you can And I think about that all the time. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you.. Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. Limn: Yeah. We literally. even the tenacious high school band off key. Shes teaching me a lesson. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. Limn: And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, [sharp breath] I dont want you to witness my body. Limn: Yeah. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. And so I gave up on it. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. Limn: That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. Im learning so many different ways to be quiet. We elevate voices of wisdom and models of wise thinking, speaking, and living. Ive got a bone. wind? Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? How am I? You could really go to some deep places if you really interrogated the self. Or, Im suffering, or Right. The conversation of this hour always rises as an early experience that imprinted everything that came after at On Being. So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. And I want you to read it. And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of. Sylvia gifts us this teaching: that nurturing childrens inner lives can be woven into the fabric of our days and that nurturing ourselves is also good for the children and everyone else in our lives. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. We read for sense. With. It suddenly just falls apart, and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. Tippett: Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. days a little hazy with fever and waiting I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. Exactly. how the wind shakes a tree in a storm Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. inward and the looking up, enough of the gun, the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost, letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and, the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough, of the mother and the child and the father and the child, and enough of the pointing to the world, weary. as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? Musings and tools to take into your week. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. Because how do we care for one another? So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. [laughs]. Youre very young. [laughter] But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. [laughter] I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. SHARE. And it wasnt until really, when I was writing that poem that the word came to me. fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt. On Being with Krista Tippett. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. All year, Ive said, You know whats funny? And it sounds like thunder? Exit And this is about your childhood, right? A friend We just ask questions. I think there are things we all learned also. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. Bottlebrush trees attract What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. As . the pummeling of youth. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. She created and hosts the public radio program and podcast On Being . I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. Between. The term "compassion" -- typically reserved for the saintly or the sappy -- has fallen out of touch with reality. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. I do think I enjoy it. She loves human beings. to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward Tippett: Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. And we all have this, our childhood stories. In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Ada Limn. Sometimes its just staring out the window. Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. No, really I was. of the kneeling and the rising and the looking And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. a finalist for the National Book Award. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. Shes written, Science polishes the gift of seeing, Indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language. An expert in moss a bryologist she describes mosses as the coral reefs of the forest. Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. What was it? Yes I am. But I trust those moments. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. , its woven through everything. and then, for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam. But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. The Adventure of Civility. Tippett: As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. Oh my. even the tenacious high school band off key. And so thats really a lot of how I was raised. And this particular poem was written after the 2017 fires in my home valley of Sonoma. I have, before, been, tricked into believing I love that you do this. A student of change and of how groups change together. Musings and tools to take into your week. And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with?. has lost everything, when its not a weapon, The one that always misses where Im not. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. I could. So well just be on an adventure together. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. by being not a witness, Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. It is still the wind. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk about poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. Its a prose poem. like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, for it again, the hazardous And then in this moment it was we cared for each other by being apart. Or call 1-800-MY-APPLE. And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. Centuries of pleasure before us and after And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? And Im not sure Ive had a conversation across all these years that was a more unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief. And I am so thrilled to have this conversation with Ada Limn to be part of our first season. On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Poetry Unbound On Being Studios Becoming Wise On Being Studios This Movie Changed Me On Being Studios Creating Our Own Lives On Being Studios More ways to shop: Find an Apple Store or other retailer near you. The bright side is not talked about. I cannot reverse it, the record Articles by Krista Tippett on Muck Rack. And one of them this is also on The Hurting Kind is Lover, which is page 77. its like staring into an original We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. We hold each other. If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. Limn: Yes. I feel like the short poem, maybe read that one, the After the Fire poem is such a wonderful example of so much of what weve been talking about, how poetry can speak to something that is impossible to speak about. I mean, I do right now. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. Tippett: several years later and a changed world later. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. Tippett: The thesis. And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. Tippett: And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of On Being, its woven through everything. Because I was teaching on Zoom, and I was just a face, and I found myself being very comfortable with just being a face, and with just being a head. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. Its got breath, its got all those spaces. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. I really love . In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. I love it that youre already thinking that. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, The On Being Project She loves the ocean. Theres a lot of different People. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow, The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung So I want to do two more, also from. Yeah, I was convinced. Yet it is a deep truth in life as in science that each of us is shaped as much by the quality of the questions we are asking as by the answers we have it in us to give. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. No, question marks. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. the truth is every song of this country Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. My body is for me.. Is it okay? The danger of all poets and I think artists in general, is it some moment we think we dont deserve to do this work because what does it do?
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