Now her and I are friends and I found out these were peace offerings so that he wouldnt pull his nasty games with her. He went on to insult me by calling me crazy and delusional. Im new to the revelation of having been with not one but two narcissists. He knows its a matter of time that i will be on my feet again. 3 years takes my money my water bill is due and I have no way to pay it and he knows I can afford and reconnect fee. Stay strong. Im sorry for what you went through. Thank you all for the advise and help. Just now I received a call from the x about our daughter and school. Shes going to fall just like the rest and I cant say anything. She still denied being with him on the weekends she disappeared but I couldnt take anymore and ended it. Yes loyalty is NOT their strong suit thats for sure. Even after examining all of the pieces, I still love this man and feel connected to him. One of the things theyll do is use verbal trickery to convince you theyre not the same person. I have no photos of her in the house, I dont think of her, Im clearing out things she gave me, etc. just to see how later she would emotionally and physically abuse me and turning everything on me. Pfffft, again masking, trying to show me he has moved on and how me asking him to leave has not affected him. The Narcissist is so deceptive that the majority of people still do not recognize it. I have not answered him after an ugly/public breakup (he is a front man for a semi-popular band and has a serious drug addition which he refused to get help for) and he left me for a groupie who adores and idolizes him. I said what is there to be scared of. I just told her I was sincerely sorry for the news and hung up. He has never been violent, only emotionally and psychologically abusive. My narcissist didnt everhoover. I saw a future with her. Those where a lot!! I nicely asked him for respect and told him what he was doing was verbally abusive. Theyre the ones who do the dumping. Narcissism is a serious pathology - applying to around only 6% of the population. I also think it is very important to focus on the reasons why you fell into a relationship like that. Four years of emotional, verbal, mental and psychological abuse. I think he believed he loved me until I called him a pathological liar. When you were together, theyd say things like, you cant do anything without me. God forbid I have lingering doubts about him. A narcissist might use specific tools and tactics to induce others with negative thinking. What about over one or two years. I honestly dont think I can be sucked in again romantically. He has asked me repeatedly to call him but I have not because I have worked hard to get to a place where the pain is manageable and I know that I come first. They can move on as if nothing ever happen and never want to speak on or own the nasty fake people theyve become. and they just couldnt care less, they couldnt even care less what its doing to you the one they say they Love. he really believes he loves me. And he is happy to get rid of me. Receiving a text or DM from an ex can trigger some strong feelings. The couple have been together for nearly 15 years and the odd request left the . First thougt no dont believe it.. But the actual discovery of an affair (long term plus who knows what else) and this last year of attempting to reusitate my marriage, has allowed me to see him and his behaviors much clearer than before. Id say, as a survivor, that the important thing is to work on healing ourselves as opposed to trying to understand Narcissism so deeply. Do not ever be fooled ..The Cell Phone Game is always a key component in a narcissist's pathological relationship agenda. I hope he sends me back something nice soon. I believe its all part of the process. Warden I now have the keys!! Worked for me when I wasnt even trying. I told him that I have forgiven him because I am a good person and because I pity him. He is gone. They always have to keep that web in the background intact, and youre a part of it now. At one point I decided to do a little test. Since I feel like the walking dead and a non-functional parasite to society, any suggestions on what can I do? Get out while youre still sane. But be aware of the specially predatory religious narcissist. Required fields are marked *. My ex was a fullfledged NARC to the tee. But he never had negative comments about my looks, behaviour etc. What their relationship style . I dont know enough about borderlines but they do say narcissists usually have something else with their disorder ie sociopath narcissist, sex addict narcissist..maybe he is a borderline narcissist. The cycle begins again. What a typically thing to do for a N!!! Idolized for a period of a few weeks. Actually THE NEXT DAY (imagine what he felt), and the community too. I am in the very beginning stages of leaving my narcissistic Abuser. The more attached you are, the harder it is to see what is them and what is you (and we all play a part in the narcissists game). So I met with him on Monday. So, after theyve broken up with you and in a new relationship, the narcissist might feel that the supply theyre getting from their current partner is not as good as the supply, they got from you. They are who they are and will never be like us. ( my friends should say now.. yeah right you Always say this) Ive stopped for the most part questioning why understanding an N is like the Borg in Startrek no thought no feeling. One may wonder why I get so many of them (Ive mentioned the group of 7 elsewhere before). No i am letting go. FreeAtLast, this is a common tactic of Narcissistsacting like I have been so horrible to him he cant stand to be in a room with me. when narcissist has canceririna emelyanova pasternak 26th February 2023 / in coastal carolina football camp 2022 / by / in coastal carolina football camp 2022 / by Really good article, I just wish it contained more psychological research. I need to find some time and write down all the good things I got from her and all the bad things and compare and always look at itthat would be on my agenda. But I suspect now that he has used up all of his tricks he wont come back. IDK WHAT I MISS HES MEAN TO ME ALWAYS WHEN I DO SEE HIM HE TELLS ME WHEN I CAN TALK N TO WHO. I am going to train my mind with positive things that shows me my capacitys and the people i am making smile. But one night in the three mounths and rest of the time deal with his Narcism. Thats why EVERYONE gets a bottle of No Contact at the door. So i tekst hey everything ok? My Narc dropeed me after an arguement we had and we were together 8 years. This man i was with for 20 years cant possibly be best friends with the new girlfriend of 7 months. This man Ive known since I was 13, so 16 years now. Even if I do not go to prison or die, there is nothing to support my family and that nothing can be changed. Any thoughts?? Its maddening. So now i confessed that i miss him to and our love and laughter. Now I want to sell it because he left me with no income or support and I was thinking of moving out of state and its no longer mine. Just the other days one the ladies that works with me said its nice to get the old you back meaning I am just starting to be my old self again and it feels really good. He was very sweet and complimentary towards her the entire evening. He started working wit friends in a MLM type setting which would take him to shows and took him to Sturgis, I later found out the woman he complained of the whole entire trip stayed with him and 2 others in a trailer, her clothing consisted of ass-less chaps and artistic paint for her breasts. 2. I broke up with him and cut off contact, but got back in touch with him I said it was to see if we could be friends but really it was because not talking to him was absolutely agonising. And that the whole points. Its been a monthly ST recently. Her mum and split when her mum had an affair and left. He was married before, and for what he tells me he left his ex wife because he was bored and she was whiny, she didnt like to do anything, etc He also told me he had an affair with his (then) best friends wife for 3 months. I just want my old life back, my confidence, my goals, my dreams. *************************************************************************************************************. The next day he had court date with another woman in the nieghborhood Poor widow Kim whom he had an relationship which he denies. I did not know that. I enjoyed her ways and I know it sounds insane but I could just sit and listen to her talk and watch her eat. If you were in MA, Id buy you a coffee and give you some mothering advice, LOL. Narcissists thrive off being in control, when you were a couple, they got a kick out of watching you ask, how high? after instructing you to jump. Hes evil and Im miserable. I caught him once again lying about a girl and still does. The list goes on. The next day that dog was gone. Respect yourself and go no contact . Slowly they will forget about you and move on. Once youve forgotten and its safe for them to come out of hiding and re-establish the previous illusion of them they think you have, they return as though nothing happened but theyre wary of you now just in case you saw what was behind the mask. he tried to seperate me and my daughter . That was a month ago. He could make me doubt things Id seen with my own fucking eyes. He said he gets bored easily.. But he finds out soon. Dont beat yourself up too badly about having to start over. [Read: 7 Reasons Why Narcissists Wont Give You Closure]. Before that a 8 year normal husband. Be safe and contact a Domestic Violence Shelter too, worst thing is when they know youre going to leave they act all nice loving even apologizing again. He said he does not need sex because they are friends first, pffft whatever. She told me the very same thing happened to her and she could not make herself forgive after this, my ex says she is full of shit, because he went to her for advice on marriage and she obviously had different intentions. I spoke to him by email and regretted it. (His initials werent IF by any chance?). If he made these threatening statements, you never know if he will make good on them. He sent a long message about how he met this beautiful woman from New York and so on and that he lost interest in me and maybe we could be friends but probably not, he went on to blame everything on me as usual and that I forced him to seek . Even though youre no longer together, the narcissist wants you to remain broken, and theyll do everything they can to bring you back down to the level of inferiority they believe youre supposed to be at and stay at. Only a tiny moment of happiness getting his egosuply. I thought all of this was normal because every relationship has a intense, honeymoon phase and then things settle into a more routine phase. Many factors might go into the decision, but those factors all play a role in whether they will try to hoover someone else or not. His mom asked how much I was selling it for, etc; I told her to call him for the details cause he charged it and had the paperwork. He plays the system well. They will convince others that you're the bad person. That would suck. All those who read this please pray for me. Good bye Danny, [] They are control freaks. Your ex hasn't changed his or her mind about getting . I want to tell her the truth about him but wont, it would make me look crazy and she wont believe me. And since we know they dont take responsibility for sh*t, dont hold your breath. They often cannot function in even simple, daily tasks. So, as far as theyre concerned, the more supply they get, the better the relationship. Thanks to you and Rodman. But we often continue eating it, anyway. I set up my blog only to hit a brick wall, after 42 years of questioning who i was, all of a sudden the answers seemed to come thick and fast creating a grid lock in my head. But I need to get over this hump so I can move on completely. Now, I dont know if that unhappy look was due to the way I lookedlike he might have been thinking..damn! I have been there over and over again listen up to the people on this blog who know it because they experienced it. He is so predictable. Once you can accept this truth, that they will not change for all the love in the world then you are on your way. It may bec. Great for recovery, its just since you want to know, I feel, so much what exactly her problem is, just google sites, recognising the proper name for the cluster, also Manipulative People by Dr. George K. Simon. Of course I found that out much later. I know that many a guy has fallen for her, so i am not the only one. Yes, I adored her. You cant go to a no contact sone and get easier over it like people with no children. The woman whom he triangulated me against reached out and were now friends-acquaintances again. When I broke up with him in Feb and he contacted me in May I finally told him what I thought of him. I didnt want it. Plus, women are by nature, more seductive then men. Reading Suggestion: How Dating a Narcissist Changes You. I want you to know that I am thinking about you and praying for you. As I stated, there was no falling out between us. well, i guess i still have a lot to learn! After going through the stages of a breakup, an ex will reconsider their decision- once they don't feel certain about the breakup. its like hes two ppl. Much can be revealed. Thanks Jill. He just was gone at a time i was in Holland with my mom she has cancer. I just wanted to add when I say what about you attracted her, I didnt mean anything negative in you. Best of luck in your recovery and with maintaining No Contact. So i have got to stay strong. Its hard to see the future without him. I am so glad I found this blog! Present day he has come crying back to me wanting to work on things I have given in twice and found that after a couple weeks of my return his attempt to make things right dwindled and began to fall into the same pattern. I need and love my music, my family (were not even going to get into their screwiness) I need and love them also, my friends share the same sentiment. Thats why it is so easy to come back because i have no one here in my neighborhoud. I signed away rught to sue the cityand had a record of spousal abuse. He was at her house thats up the street from me having a party. Dont settle for scraps when there are people out there who love you just the way you are and want to be with you through good and bad. If someone wants to be part of it good. and the list could go on and on.. Confirm you had be eloquent enough and hope is nana is better.. Then, the narcissist will go to all your mutual friends, and if theyre really brave, your family members and start telling them how much of a terrible partner you were and how they suffered at your hands. There has been no evidence of slander or of him being in another relationship, however, people whi I do not know are quite freely infirming me if this free information after the fact of confirmation of return. You capture so well what is going on in a narcissists mind. If this person is a narcissist, its best that the child in question has no contact with them, anyway. He denied it for 9 months trying to convince me I was crazy. Our problems escalated. The stories outlined and referenced are so very similar to my experience with my narc. Another great one! My Ex is of the malignant kind, so I have a lot of experience to draw from. Perhaps being in two different countries helped in protecting me from worse manipulation (and perhaps seeing how ugly his behind-the-scenes is). He is hoovering and still active and persistant about it even since hes moved back with Kym. He even gave me advice and a shoulder to cry on when I was dealing with issues with my mom. Until then I never knew that such a disorder even existed, let alone the effects on my thought and actions. . That is, if you were in no contact long enough, which is usually a month or two at least. I got extremely frustrated with his ambiguous, incoherent behavior, his cavalier attitude and thought he was acting in a cowardly manner and told him so. Of course she gets Dads estate to survive. In many cases, they are even harder to get over. Try relaxing music. She accused me of stalking her to the judge and told bold faced lies. He began down grading me, being very demeaning and almost hateful. And even though I now know why, I still do. If you are like me, we are natural protectors and want the very best for the woman in our lives. Perhaps hate was too strong a word but even after going through hell with him and seeing who he really is, I cant understand why I still think of him. (!). Then he called me. We had some good times together. I also believe that she goes back to her ex every time i am blocked and vice versa. They have gained absolutely nothing by doing this to us There were many red flags in the beginning which of course I ignored because it made me felt good seeing her and spending time with her. Hi CJ, he sounds like a Narc I dated a few years ago. So, when the cops called they said unfortunately they couldnt charge him because he now is alleging I theeatened too. ************ My ex treated me like a queen when he wasnt being a crazy maker but I knew something was terribly wrong. One thing I noticed is that these Ns do NOT like to know about your problems and weaknesses. for starters you will soon realize what you need to do for yourself to heal. She may return days, weeks, months or years later, depending on her needs. I guess since I saw thru the illusion he saw no need to keep her around. When it comes to the ex-partners of a narcissist, they fall into two categories. The lies and the illusions never stop. but I have days where I feel hes driving by or just feel his presence sometimes. I believe he is absolutely miserable and why he is reaching out to me because he is ready to leave the groupie and doesnt want to go live with his mother. Thank you for sharing Johns talent for capturing what is at times lost in the fog (see what I did there referring to another of your great posts). Reading Suggestion: How to take control away from a Narcissist? Materially having accepted this offer makes no difference to me I will not see or have to talk with this person what it will change is the dynamic of limited contact when I go to the hills it fly my glider it is in this space I have hope, RIght now it all feels very strange the group of people who acted out or facilitated the abuse as I see it are. But he has taught me the game so now I am always one step ahead of him. I sold my car flat and moved to the area that she lived. This seems to be true no matter what has happened before. Two days later i went to my mother. Im entering the no contact phase but still I want to talk to him. Sex was punishment because i put him out . Good luck. I totally expected the ex to call back and bitch but he didnt. Ah, just whispering, or secretive etc. Second, psychologically, there is a constant tension inside us due to desiring someone who causes us such pain and yet periodically comes back to rescue us from it. Takes full responsibility. She posts all sorts of things on Facebook making her seem like she is wealthy , champagne pictures etc and how happy she is. One we ALL have. Dont beat yourself up for breaking it the first time. Whatever your faults are as a human being, they pale in comparison to what is fundamentally wrong with him/them. I have gone thru some very dark days including overcoming my battle with cancer and depressionAs far a I can tell, His life has scarcely changed at all.Thank you for reaching out! There are several reasons why the narcissist wants to be friends with an ex, here are three of them: Obviously, the narcissist isnt going to tell you this, but eventually, theyll try and sleep with you. In this case, since youre saying you dont want to be friends anymore, hell remind you that hes got something on you that could destroy you. Takes time. I would, but Im busy right now getting divorced. When he gives me the old lets meet for dinner line I tell him yea when I free up. I miss your smile, your laugh, your beautiful curly hair in my face, everything! I know its easier said than done, but as long as you keep any contact, you will always feel invalidated, unworthy, and hopeless. Kim, Fellow Survivor here. No contact. No one mention Narissism. In September of last year and six months after disappearing he sent me an e-mail saying he was happy for me, alluding to being disappointed by Paris, saying that I should come see him if I was hesitating on my return to Australia. Good for you! Not only were they kind, caring, giving, and compassionate, but they gave you the best sex of your life. I dont really get the difference between someone whos simply infatuated, someone whos co-dependent, and someones a true narcissist based on that letter of a narcissist. He seems to enjoy freedom, but why hold onto me at same time? He became sexually abusive. And a view days later he says it dont feel good you go look for an other man. For 5 years of our relationship, he blamed me for not being able to attend until I found out he was not invited. The only so-called friends Narcs have are the ones in their social circle that they want to impress, but those are very shallow relationships. Is this typical N behavior? I realized that all my love could not counter his dark side, so I left. Yesterday i missed him so bad i almost texted him!! I often wonder why after all the horrible things Narcs do to us why we cant hate them? That would help you work out your feelings without losing your dignity in regards to giving him the chance to make you feel rejected again. Cuz I'm with someone else or i can reverse hoover him or manipulate him to hoover me back. Sever the ties! That answer depends on the type of person you are. One day that dog bit my friend, at the time a 5 year old kid. Specifically, Narcs cannot have intimate bonds of friendship. They always come back wanting to reconnect. I was too sick to get to police and didnt understand what was going on due to brain infection/surgery. She felt the same. You are doing great service work in this area and you should be proud of how many people you help and inspire every day. I have to add I moved on and had a new boyfriend within 3 months so part of me was guilty for moving on so fast after a 10 year relationship. The time line fits the puzzle. Recovering from this type of relationship takes considerable effort and self-care. Still, my perception is she is NPD, and btw, just like in your situation, her last move happened when I expressed: I wish you could be tested for NPD. When would be a good time to come by to get the cable box and belongings? Like were best friends and no time is a good time in my book. This was just about a month and a half ago. i knew that but this.. and just now? But I also am a smart guy. No one will really understand why I leave but it no longer matters to me what others think, they have not lived in the cloaked hell that has been a 20 year prison. Pray to Jesus Carole. He withheld his banking information from me, but needed access to mine. Perhaps the narcissist will come back down the road with an apology for bad behavior or promises to answer outstanding questionsthe closure we never got. Yes, this recovery is certainly tough. Once we heal those places within ourselves, not only do we recover, but life becomes better overall. He believes that I should return his devotion because in his mind he has never tried so hard with anyone. Oh this makes me so sad to read. So, having read on all these since 2009 so far, I concluded, THIS IS MY VERY SUBJECTIVE CONCLUSION, I WOULDNT TELL ANYONE TO TAKE THIS AT THE FACE VALUE.. all Cluster B disorders COME WITH NPD ANYWAY. sent me a love song via email. Or there are the exs who the narcissist discarded, and theyre still nursing a broken heart. I just had a kinda lengthy reply typed here and computer booted me out before I cound send-dammit. They fear strong women. Even in relationships with normal, mentally healthy individuals, that is the case. Its often the case that victims trying to recover will need the services of a professional therapist for clinical conditions such as PTSD, depression, childhood issues, etc., and then also work with someone who can help them understand and heal on a different level thats often not addressed in traditional therapy. That judge has no clue the abuse and the wreckage that woman had done to me! If Im not sure about something, its okay if it doesnt quite work but when I know that I want something I dont want anything to get in the way. I am simply bringing awareness to the masses that women can be just as cruel, and in SOME cases (not all by any means, but some) can even be harder to get over. You dont want to touch that and those diseases. Also, relationship between the BPD and NPD. Reasons and purpose will be given and the person in the relationship with the Narcissist will see the Narcissist through rose tinted goggles. But know in my mind rationaly that is not good, I dont have to need his approval that i am ok. The narcissist starts to panic now that his narcissistic supply is failing.# This actually naturally occurs with people who are narcissistic. Six months after that I catch him snooping on my LinkedIn profile. He attempted a hoover January 2020. This is about THEM, All they need us for is to use us, lie to us, be nasty to us, verbally, emotionally & in some cases physically abuse us & dump all their hatred onto us, to make them feel bigger, stronger & better about themselves, and its all not their fault really The more i talked with others the more the web entangled. It is 5 chapters but very short. In hindsight there were so many odd things about his behavior and how he described his life (practically no interest in anything about my real life), but I also like eccentric, shy people and a bit of a dark side. ITS realy like addiction. Anon, what it means iswhen a person is the target of an emotional abuser, they lose their sense of identity. He then moved in with his ex-wife and daughters theyve been divorced for 14 years. 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